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On 18 Jun 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bobbo wrote:

> Keep in mind that the new Mac Book Pro will apparently not be user-upgradeable, even RAM.

That's only the svelte new 15-inch Retina Display MBP. The RAM in there is soldered onto the motherboard, so you need to choose 8 or 16 GB up front. The SSD is still on a daughter card.

The 2012 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro have a similar design as last year's models. The discreet hard drive inside pretty much requires it.

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The next generation MacBook Pro with the Retina display is not user upgradeable, but the standard MacBook Pros available in 13 and 15 inch configurations still are.

The lack of user upgradeable parts in the next gen model is unfortunate because it paints the way of the future. I would rather have the option to install my own upgrades and sacrifice a few millimeters in the thickness of a 15 inch notebook for which I do not have the expectations of being ultraportable anyway. If I needed ultraportable I would have gone for the 11 or 13 inch Airs. The 15 inch is a desktop replacement that I can take home or to the conference table and the infrequent trip. Weight and thickness do not matter that much sitting on the desk or countertop.

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Keep in mind that the new Mac Book Pro will apparently not be user-upgradeable, even RAM.

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Thanks for the input. I should have added that my storage needs are easily covered by the smallest drive options of both computers. I currently have 75gb used on my HP laptop and I suspect a fair amount of that is stuff I just keep moving from one computer to the next.

--- In macbook@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <Mking8@...> wrote:
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> I have both a 15inch Quad Core i7 MacBook Pro as well as a 13inch Core i7
> MacBook Air and it depends on what you need if you need the Storage I
> would gt the MacBook Pro since you can get a 1TB HD in it. But if you need a
> light weight laptop and do not mind the 256 SSD that come in the Air then I
> would go with the Air not true at I think for $500 to $1,000 dollars you can
> get a 500 GB SSD for the Air. Since I have a Thunderbolt Drive that I hook
> up the the Air to have my iTunes and Photos on it. I am quite happy with
> the Air. As I said it depends on what you need. The Pro has more power then
> the Air but the Air can hold it on with demanding software as well.
> Mike
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> Michael King
> 2.2GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro
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I'd lean toward the Pro. Granted it is 1.5 pounds heavier, you have a faster processor and the ability to upgrade the RAM yourself. Instead of buying the 8GB upgrade from Apple, you can buy 8 GB from Amazon for $40. Installation is simple.

The same goes for the hard drive. You can swap out the slow 5400 RPM 500 GB HD for either a 240 GB SSD from OWC (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/) for between $250-$350 or if you want more local storage, get the Seagate Momentus XT 750 GB Hybrid HD/SSD for $150. It's not as fast as a SSD but is faster than other hard drives for the money when loading frequently used applications.

Ed Gray
2.2GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro w/ 16GB RAM and 750 GB Momentus XT HD

--- In macbook@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <Mking8@...> wrote:
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> On 6/16/12 3:18 PM, "texasexpediter" <K5LDB.Leo@...> wrote:
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> > I am considering converting and debating which model to choose. I will go with
> > a 13" screen. I travel a lot by van which is set up to be home and office
> > while away. I have three stand alone spreadsheets used for payroll data
> > storage and calculation. I do a small amount of text editing. I participate in
> > some Yahoo groups and a couple of forums related to my business. I have
> > business and personal emails. I might watch an episode of a TV show on abc.com
> > or USA.com or whatever.
> >
> > I have heard of GTA and a few other games but don't play any. I do now and
> > then enjoy sudoku and crosswords. IOW, I don't do any highly intensive
> > computational work. I'm considering the $1,199 version of both models with the
> > $100 upgrade to 8gb memory. The weight of the Pro isn't an issue since I won't
> > be schlepping it for miles across campuses or anything.
> >
> > Opinions please, based on my usage, whether the extra memory is advisable,
> > whether one model is superior to the other, and any/all other
> > comments/suggestions/opinions you'd care to share. Thanks and 73.
> I have both a 15inch Quad Core i7 MacBook Pro as well as a 13inch Core i7
> MacBook Air and it depends on what you need if you need the Storage I
> would gt the MacBook Pro since you can get a 1TB HD in it. But if you need a
> light weight laptop and do not mind the 256 SSD that come in the Air then I
> would go with the Air not true at I think for $500 to $1,000 dollars you can
> get a 500 GB SSD for the Air. Since I have a Thunderbolt Drive that I hook
> up the the Air to have my iTunes and Photos on it. I am quite happy with
> the Air. As I said it depends on what you need. The Pro has more power then
> the Air but the Air can hold it on with demanding software as well.
> Mike
>
>
> Michael King
> 2.2GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro
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And I am of the opposite opinion.   With iCloud or Dropbox, storage isn't an issue.

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From: Michael King <Mking8@gmail.com>
To: "macbook@yahoogroups.com" <macbook@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MacBook] Air or Pro?


 
On 6/16/12 3:18 PM, "texasexpediter" <K5LDB.Leo@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am considering converting and debating which model to choose. I will go with
> a 13" screen. I travel a lot by van which is set up to be home and office
> while away. I have three stand alone spreadsheets used for payroll data
> storage and calculation. I do a small amount of text editing. I participate in
> some Yahoo groups and a couple of forums related to my business. I have
> business and personal emails. I might watch an episode of a TV show on abc.com
> or USA.com or whatever.
>
> I have heard of GTA and a few other games but don't play any. I do now and
> then enjoy sudoku and crosswords. IOW, I don't do any highly intensive
> computational work. I'm considering the $1,199 version of both models with the
> $100 upgrade to 8gb memory. The weight of the Pro isn't an issue since I won't
> be schlepping it for miles across campuses or anything.
>
> Opinions please, based on my usage, whether the extra memory is advisable,
> whether one model is superior to the other, and any/all other
> comments/suggestions/opinions you'd care to share. Thanks and 73.
I have both a 15inch Quad Core i7 MacBook Pro as well as a 13inch Core i7
MacBook Air and it depends on what you need if you need the Storage I
would gt the MacBook Pro since you can get a 1TB HD in it. But if you need a
light weight laptop and do not mind the 256 SSD that come in the Air then I
would go with the Air not true at I think for $500 to $1,000 dollars you can
get a 500 GB SSD for the Air. Since I have a Thunderbolt Drive that I hook
up the the Air to have my iTunes and Photos on it. I am quite happy with
the Air. As I said it depends on what you need. The Pro has more power then
the Air but the Air can hold it on with demanding software as well.
Mike

Michael King
2.2GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro

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On 6/16/12 3:18 PM, "texasexpediter" <K5LDB.Leo@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am considering converting and debating which model to choose. I will go with
> a 13" screen. I travel a lot by van which is set up to be home and office
> while away. I have three stand alone spreadsheets used for payroll data
> storage and calculation. I do a small amount of text editing. I participate in
> some Yahoo groups and a couple of forums related to my business. I have
> business and personal emails. I might watch an episode of a TV show on abc.com
> or USA.com or whatever.
>
> I have heard of GTA and a few other games but don't play any. I do now and
> then enjoy sudoku and crosswords. IOW, I don't do any highly intensive
> computational work. I'm considering the $1,199 version of both models with the
> $100 upgrade to 8gb memory. The weight of the Pro isn't an issue since I won't
> be schlepping it for miles across campuses or anything.
>
> Opinions please, based on my usage, whether the extra memory is advisable,
> whether one model is superior to the other, and any/all other
> comments/suggestions/opinions you'd care to share. Thanks and 73.
I have both a 15inch Quad Core i7 MacBook Pro as well as a 13inch Core i7
MacBook Air and it depends on what you need if you need the Storage I
would gt the MacBook Pro since you can get a 1TB HD in it. But if you need a
light weight laptop and do not mind the 256 SSD that come in the Air then I
would go with the Air not true at I think for $500 to $1,000 dollars you can
get a 500 GB SSD for the Air. Since I have a Thunderbolt Drive that I hook
up the the Air to have my iTunes and Photos on it. I am quite happy with
the Air. As I said it depends on what you need. The Pro has more power then
the Air but the Air can hold it on with demanding software as well.
Mike

Michael King
2.2GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro

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